Women in Law: Jacqueline Downes

​Jacqueline Downes – Partner, Competition, Consumer & Regulatory, Allens (Sydney)


Can you tell us a little about Allens and your practice?

Allens is a fantastic firm which just celebrated 200 years. We have been involved in many seminal matters for iconic Australian and international companies over that time and continue to be involved in them today. We have a commitment to great people and work and are highly collegiate.



I have been at Allens for over 25 years and am now head of the Competition, Consumer & Regulatory group. We advise clients on all matters involving competition and consumer law, including merger clearances, investigations by the competition and consumer regulator, the ACCC, ACCC and private litigation and general advisory work. Aside from a one-year stint at the Federal Court as an Associate I have been at Allens my whole career – I was a summer clerk back in the day!


Why did you decide to pursue a career in law?

I didn't always want to be a lawyer – originally I wanted to be a history academic majoring in medieval history. My history thesis was about the plight of medieval women called "Witches and Bitches"! My dad was a barrister so I had always been exposed to the law. However, it was when I did my summer clerkship at Allens that I decided I wanted to be a lawyer. I shadowed a senior partner and had quite a lot of direct client contact and I decided that, while I loved history, I wanted my career to be in the real world. I could always keep history as a hobby (which I have!). As a competition lawyer much of what we do is a combination of fact finding and black letter law which, in many ways, is not unlike analysing history.


What are the top three words you’d use to describe the culture at Allens?

Collegiate, supportive and rich.


In your experience, what has been the most significant change for women in the legal field over the last 5 years?

The number of women partners is a big change - at least over the last 15 years - and I think provides more visible role models for younger lawyers. When I was made a partner 15 years ago only around 14% of Allens partners were women - now it is 37%, and we are aiming for 40% in the next three years. The other big change is more support around parental and care giving leave and more men taking parental leave, which is really important for both men and women.


How important is it to have other women visible at management level?

It is critical. Without that visibility there is little impetus for changing the way things are done. It also gives younger women an example to follow so they believe that becoming a partner or manager is an option for them too.


What difference have you seen to the way of working since COVID?

We had a flexible working policy in my group before COVID but it has definitely increased that as an option. I don't think we will ever go back to working 5 days a week in the office. While I do like working in the office most days it is good to have that increased flexibility and the technology to work from home when it is convenient, particularly to assist with care-giving roles and to allow for more time with family.


What do you think clients value and why? Have you seen this change over recent years?

Clients value that trusted legal relationship and also want you to be proactive about looking out for their business. Clients will always want the best advice and will often rely on a trusted adviser they have a relationship with. But that is not sufficient on its own anymore – clients also want their lawyers to be responsive and manage costs and to be proactive in thinking about their business and the impacts of legal or industry developments.


What do you think the legal industry can do to get more women and other diverse candidates into leadership roles?

I think it really is about seeing more people in those roles. How do you do that? I think by understanding the factors that impact women such as family commitments, a desire for connection and interesting work and ensuring those aspects are part of a legal career. Also constantly asking yourself when looking at candidates for roles whether you are bringing any unconscious bias to the decision making process. We don't have that problem as much in our group as we have had more women than men for a while – including at partner level where we have 5 female and 2 male partners.


What advice would you give to your younger self just starting out in law?

Dream big and take as many opportunities and experiences as possible. You can do it.


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​Our webinar 2025 and Beyond: Why Your Hiring, Learning, and Culture Need to Evolve brought together thought leaders Enrique Rubio (Hacking HR), Lisa Skinner Källström (Teamtailor), and Hydrogen Group’s Dean Jennings and Michelle Miller. The conversation explored strategies used to tackle the challenges of the future workforce, shift organisational cultures towards lasting partnerships, and ensure teams are equipped for the age of artificial intelligence. _ The Q&A box was brimming! Our webinar offered participants the chance to consult our HR experts on addressing shifts in the people and culture realm as we approach 2024 and beyond. Interesting questions were raised, and we compiled them all to seek and reached out to our experts to get some definitive answers. For a recap on the webinar, check out our blog Navigating the Future: Insights from our Webinar "2025 and Beyond"  So, here we are. Your questions - answered! - ​How can companies make people feel more secure in their jobs? Is it just a matter of increasing communication? Lisa suggested a shift towards a more sustainable approach. 'In recent years, we have seen many companies experience massive growth, and the need to get great talent onboard - hence offering extremely generous compensation packages. Unfortunately, many have now faced layoffs, and while the compensation and benefit strategies are not the sole reasons, I would like to propose a more sustainable approach for the future. [Increase benefits as the company grows, and as business results allow, we can increase pension levels or similar benefits – and discuss it internally! Open dialogue about results, investment choices, and their rationale fosters a sense of involvement among team members and signals the company's commitment to a sustainable direction.]' Dean echoed concerns about job security in today's volatile economy and advises, 'In today's uncertain economic climate, job security is a concern. However, by becoming indispensable and embracing tools like AI, individuals can enhance their value to employers, securing their positions for the future. Apart from using Chat GPT, what other tasks can be automated with AI? Lisa commented, ‘We’ve mentioned a few examples already, but I would look at all the systems your company allows you to use and question your suppliers on what features are or will be based on AI. For example, many applicant tracking systems allow the opportunity for AI to summarise CVs for an easy overview, generate interview questions and suggest more personalised replies to rejected candidates based on their CVs. Also, the opportunity for AI to transcribe an interview is an amazing tool which allows the interviewer to solely focus on listening and talking to a candidate as opposed to taking notes. As always, AI in these types of systems is not designed to make the decisions for a recruiter or business - but serve as an assistant to save time and work more efficiently.’ Dean added, ‘There are far too many to list. The AI directory https://aitoolsdirectory.com/ does a really good job of showcasing what does what and where you can find it.’ What is the impact of AI on employee engagement and how can HR teams use AI to promote engagement? Also, what precautions should professionals take when using AI? ​Dean offered his perspective by stating that ‘engagement and AI may seem contradictory, but there's a clear benefit when HR uses AI to streamline admin tasks, freeing up time for vital human interaction. Tools like Koios, for instance, offer Acoustic AI, helping HR understand team and individual personalities better, for more tailored approaches. Professionals must approach AI implementation carefully, ensuring ethical use to maintain trust and transparency in the workplace.’ How can we make sure our services stay personalised while using AI? Dean responded, ‘By leveraging AI to handle time-consuming tasks. The best thing about AI is that you get to choose what it does and what it doesn’t. If you feel strongly about human interaction to enable personalisation, you don’t have to let go of that – just embrace AI to make those interactions better. Get it to strip data in the background for you, or to type up your notes and actions as you have the conversations. The possibilities are endless, and they can be tailored to your needs.’ Within your businesses, have you experienced any resistance to the adoption of AI? How have you handled these objections? Dean responded, ‘A lot of the resistance I have seen has either been a fear of trying or a fear of being caught. There seems to be a negative connotation with AI, that if you get it to do something for you, are you cheating? The answer is a resounding no, you are working with the tools available to make yourself more productive for your organisation. Robot proof recruiter, if you haven’t read it, you should. Especially if you are a recruiter or if recruitment is part of your job role. I’ll spare you the details, but it is an amazing read that showcases the fact you can never take the people part out of recruitment - you’ll always be able to provide a better level of service than a robot (at least for now) and you need to focus on the parts of the process where human interaction is at its most vital and automate/utilise AI to get back time in your day to improve that social element of the process.’ Do you feel Employee Resource Groups will be on the rise with the future generation of workers? ​Dean replied, ‘A truly hybrid workplace cannot function effectively without the right technology in place. That doesn’t even need to be AI. For employees to feel a sense of belonging in a workplace, there should be a seamless experience that goes beyond just having teams up on 1 laptop in a room full of 30 people. Again, this will only advance with time ... my eutopia is to have my whole team (who are based in the UK + Thailand) sat around a virtual desk, on a beach with an interactive whiteboard we can utilise in real time via virtual and augmented reality. You may laugh now, but in the next couple of years, VR and AR tech will be the staple of hybrid working and teams coming together around the globe. This doesn’t take away from the in-person experience and nor do I think it should. It should be a tool that compliments real-time working solutions.’ How can we support older generation employees in the changing landscape? ​Dean offered his perspective, ‘AI is truly remarkable. It embodies the futuristic vision many of us had as children—computers and programs taking on tasks for us. For those uneasy about it, I believe it's a matter of not fully comprehending it or lacking the skills to use it effectively. AI has quietly become a part of the workplace, and many are still navigating its intricacies. The focus should be on empowering employees to leverage AI to enhance productivity and value to the organisation. Those who resist or fail to adapt won't be replaced by AI but by individuals who embrace change and view AI as a tool for greater contribution.’ How can we safeguard against the risk of AI stifling creativity in the workplace? ​Lisa said, ‘I would say the opposite, if we use AI for the more regular and routine tasks then we will have more time to use to be creative! For example, instead of spending hours on creating a presentation for an important project - let AI do this creating for you and spend the time on how you want to engage with your audience instead. Using ChatGPT to find easy tasks that I would previously have spent a lot of time on has been a big change in how I work and allows me find space in the day.’ Is there a regional divide across different parts of the world? 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